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Long Beach Police Fatally Shoot Man with Knife

Officers were called by a woman who reported that the man in her home was hollering that he wanted police to kill him. That's allegedly what happened after the male, possibly a teen, attacked police.

Updated 1 a.m. Wednesday with D.A. investigation an number of OIS in Long Beach:

Police officers fatally shot a man after he allegedly tried to attack them with a knife Tuesday afternoon at a Long Beach home, the Long Beach Police Department said.

The deceased may be 19 but his name and age were not immediately released by the Long Beach Police Department.

Officers arriving to the house in the 1900 block of East Hardwick Street near Cherry Avenue had been alerted by a female relative in the home that the male had a knife and was yelling that he wanted police to kill him.

Details were trickling in still but the basics involved the police department receiving a call at 1:45 p.m. from a woman at the  home, who reported that a male had a weapon.

"The officers were met at the door by the unidentified suspect, who attacked them with a knife," police department spokeswoman Nancy Pratt said. ``That's when an OIS occurred,'' she said. OIS means officer involved shooting, which in police parlance means officers shot someone.

Pratt said police did CPR until paramedics arrived, but the man wounded by officers died at the scene. Pratt said she did not know the person's age, but one unofficial report indicated he was 19. ``We are still interviewing witnesses,'' Pratt said about 6:15 p.m. Additional knives were found at the scene, she said.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office was investigating the incident, as is standard in officer-involved shootings, Pratt said. It was the sixth officer-involved shooting for the Long Beach Police Department since late December. One of those involved an officer shooting a dog.

--Nancy Wride and City News Service contributed to this report.

Mike Ruehle September 12, 2012 at 01:35 PM
We've now only heard reported the police department (the killers) side of the story. Now, what was the female relative's side of the story? Do they match up. Will there be a follow-up to verify the police department's (the killers) side of the story. Furthermore, were other, non-lethal measures such as a taser considered, or did officers immediately resort to lethal force as usual. Are police officers trained in CPR, because that is the first time I've heard they did something, besides calling paramedics, to prevent someone from dying after having shot them? Police shoot to kill and prefer the person to die so they can avoid an excessive force law suit.
Mike Ruehle September 12, 2012 at 01:41 PM
According to the Press Telegram story, "The incident occurred at about 4:20 p.m. in the 1900 block of East Hardwick Street. If the above report is true that police received the call at 1:45 PM, that means it took the police over 2 hours to respond. Either that, or the police are disseminating untrue facts again. http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_21520019/long-beach-police-investigating-officer-involved-shooting
John B. Greet September 12, 2012 at 02:38 PM
"Will there be a follow-up to verify the police department's (the killers) side of the story." Yes, Ruehle, there is always an exhaustive follow-up whenever any police officer shoots and kills a suspect. "...were other, non-lethal measures such as a taser considered, or did officers immediately resort to lethal force as usual(?)" The vast majority of police uses-of-force do not involve deadly force. This would seem to refute your contention that police "immediately resort to deadly force as usual." "Are police officers trained in CPR, because that is the first time I've heard they did something, besides calling paramedics, to prevent someone from dying after having shot them." Yes, they are so trained and while this may be the first time *you* have heard of this, it is *not* the first time LBPD officers have quickly transitioned from stopping a deadly threat to rendering first aid while awaiting the arrival of medics. "Police shoot to kill and prefer the person to die so they can avoid an excessive force law suit." Given that the vast majority of instances in which police shoot and kill a person results in both excessive force and wrongful death lawsuits (usually brought by the family of the deceased) your premise seems, here, seems particular ignorant. (more)
John B. Greet September 12, 2012 at 02:50 PM
"If the above report is true that police received the call at 1:45 PM, that means it took the police over 2 hours to respond. Either that, or the police are disseminating untrue facts again." Or, perhaps the time in one story or the other was simply reported in error? Another local news site reported it this way: "LBPD Public Information Officer Nancy Pratt says that at about 1:45 p.m. today (Sept. 11), officers responded to a residence in the 1900 block of Hardwick St...." So apparently there is some confusion in the reporting of the incident. Because there often is such confusion in the initial reports, it seems particularly pre-mature of you to only consider the to possible explanations that you have. Perhaps it would be prudent to await some clarification before leaping into your habitual litany of accusations? John B. Greet LBPD-retired
Johnny Utah September 12, 2012 at 05:03 PM
glad the cops are out there doing their job too many losers in jail that we, as civilians, have to pay for!!
Mike Kowal September 12, 2012 at 07:03 PM
Apparently the guy got what he wanted... the taxpayers will get a costly lawsuit! "At least one court has dealt with this issue without new legislation, instead analyzing the situation under normal standards regarding a police officer's use of deadly force. In a wrongful death case against the city of Leavenworth and three of its police officers, the estate of Shawn Perryman alleged both a violation of 42 U.S.C. ¤ 1983 and common law negligence after officers shot and killed Perryman. The Kansas Court of Appeals found the officers justified in their use of deadly force; Perryman had charged within 8 feet of an officer brandishing a sharp, metal object over his head, having shouted "I want to die." Although the increasing problem of suicide by police is well documented, there hasn't been much discussion as to how we, as a society, should handle it. When it does happen, the most effective dialogue will involve representatives from the various disciplines involved, including mental health, law enforcement, and legal professionals. It is only through the input and involvement from all angles that we can finally stitch up this wound instead of simply applying a band-aid." Link to above article: http://www.legalzoom.com/crime-criminals/murder/suicide-police-alarming
Mike Ruehle September 12, 2012 at 09:20 PM
Coincidentally, Long Beach police are now saying this ALSO was "suicide by cop." I say ALSO, because that is the same thing the police initially claimed when they killed Douglas Zerby for pointing a hose nozzle at them. http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_21521911/long-beach-police-shoot-kill-man-authorities-suspect There is little questioning of a story when there is only one side, that of the killers. Police know that and make sure there is nobody left alive to tell their side when it comes to an officer involved shooting. I can not recall the last time Long Beach police shot to wound or disarm someone, or if it has ever happened? It's too bad the Patch carries the water for the police by only recounting their side of this officer involved shooting.
Nancy Wride (Editor) September 12, 2012 at 09:54 PM
Hey Mike, I went with what information we had last night given that we were also at the 9/11 ride, and filing a power outage story to alert readers that 2nd and PCH would be w/o power. The time question is but one. And it appears the 4pm time is incorrect. An updated news release is supposed to drop any minute. I have asked for the protocol on a man who announces he wants to be wanting to be killed by police, the mental health unit, etc., and whether the officers were 20 feet or less from the man with the knife at the time of the shooting. We'll see what police tell us. I can take your comments all day Mike, as I was the first reporter to question police shooting 60-year-old schizophrenic and knife-wielding Marcella Byrd on Martin Luther King, Jr., weekend out front of Gold's Gym. Which is how I learned that Quantico trains to stay 20 feet away or more from a knife-waving subject, as anything less puts officers at risk, and they are forced to use their guns. I also reported ahead of everyone the Doug Zerby case, which is a Belmont Shore case, so my record is what it is. Some stories and their locations--this outside of Belmont Shore--force judgements on deployment of resources.
John B. Greet September 13, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Here you go, Nancy: http://www.longbeach.gov/civica/press/display.asp?layout=4&Entry=3962 "On Tuesday, September 11, 2012, at approximately 1:45 p.m., Long Beach Police responded to a residence in the 1900 block of Hardwick Street regarding a male subject armed with a knife, which resulted in an officer involved shooting." So the time question is clarified. "The caller indicated that her 20-year-old step-son, identified as David Jordan, was inside the house, armed with a knife, threatening her, and yelling that he wanted the police to kill him." So LBPD didn't claim the suspect wanted the police to kill him, the caller -a woman at the residence- told LBPD, on a recorded 911 line, that this was what *he* had said. "The suspect lunged towards one of the officers with the knife, causing the officer to discharge his weapon. At the same time, the suspect threw the knife at the officer. The suspect then armed himself with a second knife, again moved towards the officer in a threatening manner, causing the officer to discharge his weapon a second time." So the suspect lunges at the officer, the officer fires, the suspect throws the knife at the officers, arms himself with another knife, and went at the officer again, and the officer fires again. This is all we know so far and additional information will surely be forthcoming.
John B. Greet September 13, 2012 at 12:31 AM
BTW, Ruehle, all police officers in California are trained to the very same standard where deploying deadly force is concerned. Officers are trained to shoot to stop the threat...not "to kill", not "to wound", not "to disarm" but to stop the threat. Period.
Nancy Wride (Editor) September 13, 2012 at 02:28 AM
I had the police release at 5:22 p.m. but thanks John.
John B. Greet September 13, 2012 at 02:43 AM
Yip!
Mike Ruehle September 13, 2012 at 04:41 PM
WOW. "GUESS THIS GUY GOT WHAT HE WANTED." Yep, the autistic guy with the mind of an 8-year old who had just had a change in his medication must have got exactly what he wanted. Awful easy to write off someone else's life as suicide-by-cop when you know little about them. http://www.gazettes.com/news/crime/updated-knife-wielding-suspect-shot-by-police/article_3b93d462-fd28-11e1-9df2-001a4bcf887a.html
Nancy Wride (Editor) September 13, 2012 at 04:58 PM
I asked Long Beach Police Department earlier this morning for comment on whether David Jordan had autism, whether his stepmother had asked police for help getting him to the hospital regarding the medication, and the questions posed in the commenters comment to the Grunion. We will update with any new information.
John B. Greet September 13, 2012 at 06:06 PM
Awesome!
Mike Ruehle September 13, 2012 at 07:57 PM
I guess judgements on deployment of resources forces the media to publish potentially slanted, one-sided stories that unknowingly protect the guilty from public outcry. Not exactly Journalism at its finest. I too can take your comments all day since I am frequently the first to publicly question city governement misconduct and coverups when other medias publish their one-sided stories, often times after I've been contacted by others with the other side of the story who are afraid to speak up theirselves and who mistrust the medias.
John B. Greet September 13, 2012 at 09:08 PM
"...one-sided stories that unknowingly protect the guilty from public outcry." So when Nancy is very careful to state that Jordan "**allegedly** tried to attack (the officers) with a knife." You deem that to be one-sided? Ok. Who is it you believe to be "guilty" here, Ruehle, and of what exactly? Do you yet have all of the facts? If not, how do you know anyone is "guilty" of anything? How has anyone been "protected from public outcry" in this case? You certainly don't seem to have had any difficulty crying...out or in any other direction, Ruehle. Why do you assume that others could not also do so if they chose? "Not exactly Journalism at its finest." You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but rather than bad-mouth Nancy's reporting abilities, why not, instead, step up and start your *own* Patch in your *own* neighborhood of Long Beach and then you can try to show us all how you think it *should* be done?
Mike Ruehle September 14, 2012 at 06:05 AM
Greet, you are such a suck-up. OOPs, is that one of those bad, censorable words like "COWARD?"
John B. Greet September 14, 2012 at 08:37 AM
So I guess that means you're not interested in stepping up and trying to run your own Patch site, covering your own neighborhood? That you would prefer to bad-mouth the efforts of others rather than take even half a shot at doing a better job yourself? Ok, Ruehle, got it!
Jordan September 15, 2012 at 07:35 PM
pffttt..Johnny you must believe everything you hear. David wasnt no looser..he graduated high school. And just started college. Moron!!!!
maple September 16, 2012 at 07:22 PM
I knew the victim he went to my bf school if u want to know more e-mail me at maple_erby@ymail.com
maple September 16, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Nancy why dont u ask his friends david was a great kid and now they took away our friend

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