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It's Legal To Lie

We're forked.

 

The First Amendment protects the right.

True speech is the only remedy!

 

But there's no money in it.[1]

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tiny October 07, 2012 at 10:14 PM
On the Hollywood upside: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HKoqNJtMTQ&feature=g-logo-xit
John B. Greet October 07, 2012 at 10:27 PM
Of course it is, Pan! If it weren't some folks who frequently comment here would be serving life sentences. ; )
tiny October 07, 2012 at 11:04 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwlpheJVQOc
Panglonymous October 08, 2012 at 05:54 AM
Heh, look what the tube spit out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnp4kj5lLOU (Interesting cast, Bardem is one of my faves...)
Panglonymous October 08, 2012 at 05:56 AM
The villains are (fortunately) too numerous to name. :-) The best of the worst serve this role, eh? "...'False factual statements can serve useful human objectives, for example: ... in technical, philosophical, and scientific contexts, where (as Socrates' methods suggest) examination of a false statement (even if made deliberately to mislead) can promote a form of thought that ultimately helps realize the truth." -Justice Breyer
Panglonymous October 08, 2012 at 06:03 AM
Nice one, t. The (honest) truth about dishonesty (RSA animation): http://patch.com/B-cyQB?#youtube_video-11640794
John B. Greet October 08, 2012 at 02:39 PM
Correct, Pan. The Socratic method requires critial analysis of various false premises in a sincere attempt to arrive at what most of us would classify as "truth." Thus, it is not the "villain" who is promoting this method of inquiry by persistently uttering false statements but, rather, those who persistently scrutinize and question such utterances. Through her quote, Justice Breyer seems to have clearly understood that it is the *examination* of false statements that can promote the realization of truth, not the utterance of false statements themselves. In short, if someone persists in making falsehoods, "even if made deliberately to deceive", it is critical that those seeking to arrive at the truth persist in examining, questioning, and analyzing those false statements. True? ; )
tiny October 08, 2012 at 04:29 PM
That's a real good cartoon. It ends with the narrator saying after Foxy Loxy eats all the chickens, "this isn't how it ends in my book". And Foxy Loxy replying, "oh ya, don't believe everything you read brother", after causing a whispering campaign based on lies and using the big lie that the sky is falling to get the chickens out of their protected enclosure. Well, it wouldn't have even taken the Socratic method to figure out the sky wasn't falling in this case. But big lies are definitely harder to accept as being a lie than the run-of-the-mill smaller ones.
Panglonymous October 09, 2012 at 05:42 AM
Uh, before I answer.... are you filming this? You'd have to tell me if you were, right? :-/
John B. Greet October 09, 2012 at 06:29 AM
As I told Nancy, on another thread, there's always someone watching. So stop picking your nose. : )
Panglonymous October 09, 2012 at 07:06 PM
t, I think I've got a blind spot - how is a big lie more effective than a small one (given that both are outside your immediate ability to verify reliably.) Inability to conceive someone could lie that large?
Panglonymous October 09, 2012 at 07:09 PM
Jeez. As *I* said in another thread, my soul is shrinking (like anyone cares.) Guess we'll leave it at that. :-) Back to truth... "In short, if someone persists in making falsehoods, 'even if made deliberately to deceive', it is critical that those seeking to arrive at the truth persist in examining, questioning, and analyzing those false statements. True? ; )" But there are many who would seek to arrive at the truth who have neither the time nor the inclination nor the skills to expose even a single political lie (other than to call B.S. which ain't the same think.) A large cloud of purposefully-constructed incoherence envelops us and motivates us to escape the fog and anxiety. Limited-but-clear-and-forcefully-presented visions assemble around the periphery, conclusions ready to snag any and all made anxious enough to leap to them. True?
tiny October 09, 2012 at 07:28 PM
How about this, smaller lies are easier to deal with morally.
tiny October 09, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Example: Warren Commission Report - big lie. Repercussions - look around.
Panglonymous October 10, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Yeah, that seems compatible with "morally inconceivable," I think. On an interpersonal level, had a B-in-L who impersonated a heterosexual in his courtship and marriage to my sister. That was a purty big lie to her. She clung to it even when presented hard evidence to the contrary. Gave me a gift of "The Virtues of Selfishness" as a mid-teen (no connection to his homosexuality that I know of, but perhaps to his willingness to deceive...)

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